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Fantasy » alt.fan.pratchett » [OT Rant, rated R] If you find something that's perfect, buy a life-time supply
[OT Rant, rated R] If you find something that's perfect, buy a life-time supply [message #235129] Do, 09 März 2006 02:17
Kar98  
Just received the pair of Doc Martens sandals I mail-ordered. And unlike
the kind I've been buying for the last 15 years, they are cheap, shoddy,
cobbled-together Chinese crap. This is BULLSHIT! They are supposed to be
comfy yet rugged, durable, high-quality and made in England. I used to
just go into the store, pick any kind of Doc Martens Airwair, UK size 8
1/2 and they'd fit as though they were custom-made for me! Those fuckers
I just got aren't even shaped like shoes! I could have gotten the same
kind of crap for 5 bucks at damn Walmart. They pinch, they poke and
chaff, and I have no idea just what kind of feet they are designed for.
I _need_ my Docs!
Godsdamnit, I'm so fucking pissed.
Re: [OT Rant, rated R] If you find something that's perfect, buy a life-time supply [message #235130 ] Do, 09 März 2006 02:23
Stacie Hanes  
René wrote:
> Just received the pair of Doc Martens sandals I mail-ordered. And

Thanks for the warning. I wondered about that. I have a pair made in England
before the switch, and ordered another pair after I knew, but took care to
make sure they were made in England.

Will definitely make sure in future.

Ebay, BTW.

--
Stacie, fourth swordswoman of the afpocalypse.
AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons & Bondage-happy predator
AFPMistress to peachy ashie passion & AFPDeliciousSnack to 8'FED
"If you can't be a good example, you'll just have to be a horrible
warning." Catherine Aird, _His Burial Too_
http://esmeraldus.blogspot.com/
Re: [OT Rant, rated R] If you find something that's perfect, buy a life-time supply [message #235131 ] Do, 09 März 2006 02:28
Kar98  
Stacie Hanes <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> Ebay, BTW.

Yeah, me too. Here's the reply I got from the seller:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hi,
If you didnt know, Dr. Martens are made in China for the past 3 years
now. They are no longer manufactuered in England. If they are the
incorrect pair, you can return them back to me. A refund or a correction
will be made.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~

This is like ordering a BMW, and getting a rebadged Lada instead.
Re: [OT Rant, rated R] If you find something that's perfect, buya life-time supply [message #235134 ] Do, 09 März 2006 02:56
Andrew Perry  
René wrote:
> Stacie Hanes <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Ebay, BTW.
>
> Yeah, me too. Here's the reply I got from the seller:
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Hi,
> If you didnt know, Dr. Martens are made in China for the past 3 years
> now. They are no longer manufactuered in England. If they are the
> incorrect pair, you can return them back to me. A refund or a correction
> will be made.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> This is like ordering a BMW, and getting a rebadged Lada instead.

Well, at least they seem willing to take them back. Bugger of an
annoyance for you, though.
Re: [OT Rant, rated R] If you find something that's perfect, buy a life-time supply [message #235137 ] Do, 09 März 2006 05:15
Werehatrack  
On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 01:56:49 +0000, Torak <a.w.m.perry [at] durham.ac.uk>
wrote:

>René wrote:
>> Stacie Hanes <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Ebay, BTW.
>>
>> Yeah, me too. Here's the reply I got from the seller:
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Hi,
>> If you didnt know, Dr. Martens are made in China for the past 3 years
>> now. They are no longer manufactuered in England. If they are the
>> incorrect pair, you can return them back to me. A refund or a correction
>> will be made.
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>> This is like ordering a BMW, and getting a rebadged Lada instead.
>
>Well, at least they seem willing to take them back. Bugger of an
>annoyance for you, though.

My SO has been ranting about this sort of thing for years. Similar
frustrations have beset her WRT various products; she'd spend months
(or years, in one case) trying things to find the item that precisely
suited her, and when she went back to get another, it had been
discontinued. I've had it happen as well. Most recently, last year I
finally found some socks that were a perfect match for what I wanted,
so I bought a dozen pairs. This year, the first dozen is showing
signs of wear, and the item has been discontinued. We've had this
happen so often that the expression "It's perfect, so it won't be
around long" is our typical observation upon finding a product that we
like.

The problem, of course, is that one can only devote so much cash and
space to stockpiling, and not everything has a long shelf life.
--
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Re: [OT Rant, rated R] If you find something that's perfect, buy a life-time supply [message #235150 ] Do, 09 März 2006 08:49
Suzi  
In article <vv9v02he3mmqh29atl0lprslh71ovfi0u2 [at] 4ax.com>, Werehatrack
rault00 [at] earthWEEDSlink.net wibbled...

[Snip]
> she'd spend months
> (or years, in one case) trying things to find the item that precisely
> suited her, and when she went back to get another, it had been
> discontinued. I've had it happen as well. Most recently, last year I
> finally found some socks that were a perfect match for what I wanted,
> so I bought a dozen pairs. This year, the first dozen is showing
> signs of wear, and the item has been discontinued. We've had this
> happen so often that the expression "It's perfect, so it won't be
> around long" is our typical observation upon finding a product that we
> like.

I know the feeling only too well - every time I find something I like,
by the time I need a replacement they don't even make anything similar
any more. I don't see this need for constantly changing things that were
OK in the first place!

Suzi
Re: [OT Rant, rated R] If you find something that's perfect, buy a life-time supply [message #235193 ] Do, 09 März 2006 14:15
geminii  
On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 04:15:09 GMT, Werehatrack <rault00 [at] earthWEEDSlink.net>
wrote:

>My SO has been ranting about this sort of thing for years. Similar
>frustrations have beset her WRT various products; she'd spend months
>(or years, in one case) trying things to find the item that precisely
>suited her, and when she went back to get another, it had been
>discontinued. I've had it happen as well.

I fleshed out an idea at one point for an internet textile business which,
for a fee, would recreate any mass-produced clothing item which was no
longer on the market, and ship it to you.

The real selling point was the Forever packs - for an annual fee, a
customised package of clothing would be shipped to you every N months. And
unless you changed your preferences, it would always be *exactly* the same
items, in the same colours, same materials, same sizes, style, stitching,
same everything. Guaranteed.

Once you'd found a style you liked and figured roughly how many months it
took you to wear through a set, you would never have to search for a
replacement ever again, or track down which shops might or might not sell
it this year, much less actually have to go and shop for it yourself. It
would just Arrive, and be exactly the same as what you got last time.

Better - if you took your own measurements and added them to the
RealClothes(tm) profile, any future measurements would automatically
update the sizes of the items in the 'care package'.

The fashion houses and ultra-famous designers would scream bloody murder
of course, so it would probably have to start out with designs licenced
from unknowns and paid for in something approaching sale-based royalties.

Which makes me ask - if a cheap mass-market design goes off the market,
what happens to the ownership of the design? Is it still trademarked or
registered to the label forever after? Are other labels allowed to copy or
reproduce the design eventually, and if so, when and how closely?

Anyone in the textile legal biz?


-SteveD
Re: [OT Rant, rated R] If you find something that's perfect, buy a life-time supply [message #235197 ] Do, 09 März 2006 14:28
Graycat  
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 00:15:24 +1100, geminii [at] tpg.com.au
jotted down:


>Which makes me ask - if a cheap mass-market design goes off the market,
>what happens to the ownership of the design? Is it still trademarked or
>registered to the label forever after? Are other labels allowed to copy or
>reproduce the design eventually, and if so, when and how closely?
>
>Anyone in the textile legal biz?

No, I'm just a student. But iirc it depends on the type of
protection. A copyright (probably not applicable for
clothing...) lasts until death-date of creator + 70 years. A
patent lasts up to 25 years, a trademark lasts 10 years but
is infinitely renewable and a pattern design can be
protected for a maximum of 25 years (5x5 years).
(Swedish, EU-based rules)

--
Elin
The Tale of Westala and Villtin
http://tale.cunobaros.com/
The Oswalds DW casting award - Vote Now!
http://www.student.lu.se/~his02ero/Oswald/index.html
Re: [OT Rant, rated R] If you find something that's perfect, buy a life-time supply [message #235202 ] Do, 09 März 2006 14:09
Eric Jarvis  
Werehatrack rault00 [at] earthWEEDSlink.net wrote in
<vv9v02he3mmqh29atl0lprslh71ovfi0u2 [at] 4ax.com>:
>
> My SO has been ranting about this sort of thing for years. Similar
> frustrations have beset her WRT various products; she'd spend months
> (or years, in one case) trying things to find the item that precisely
> suited her, and when she went back to get another, it had been
> discontinued. I've had it happen as well.
>

Mine is pens. In my early teens I wrecked the tendons in my right index
finger so it's difficult to control a pen if it requires any pressure to
write. However I'm fine with a good fibre tip. It's now pretty much
impossible to get one that isn't designed primarily for children to draw
with. Currently I not only don't have a single pen I can write legibly
with, I have no idea how I can ever get another. All the alternatives that
I've had foisted on me by various stationers over the past few years
either require too much pressure to write or are just plain useless.

--
eric - afprelationships in headers
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
Re: [OT Rant, rated R] If you find something that's perfect, buy a life-time supply [message #235214 ] Do, 09 März 2006 15:34
Stacie Hanes  
Suzi wrote:

> [Snip]

>
> I know the feeling only too well - every time I find something I
> like, by the time I need a replacement they don't even make
> anything similar any more. I don't see this need for constantly
> changing things that were OK in the first place!
>

Drawing some wisdom from the <shudder> plushie community (research, okay?)
think "pairs for spares."

If you find the Perfect Thing, buy two if you can.

--
Stacie, fourth swordswoman of the afpocalypse.
AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons & Bondage-happy predator
AFPMistress to peachy ashie passion & AFPDeliciousSnack to 8'FED
"If you can't be a good example, you'll just have to be a horrible
warning." Catherine Aird, _His Burial Too_
http://esmeraldus.blogspot.com/
Re: [OT Rant, rated R] If you find something that's perfect, buy a life-time supply [message #235216 ] Do, 09 März 2006 15:39
Stacie Hanes  
geminii [at] tpg.com.au wrote:

> I fleshed out an idea at one point for an internet textile business
> which, for a fee, would recreate any mass-produced clothing item
> which was no longer on the market, and ship it to you.

There's something similar in Wm. Gibson's _Pattern Recognition_. The
character has a favorite jacket . . .

Anyway, I love the idea.

--
Stacie, fourth swordswoman of the afpocalypse.
AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons & Bondage-happy predator
AFPMistress to peachy ashie passion & AFPDeliciousSnack to 8'FED
"If you can't be a good example, you'll just have to be a horrible
warning." Catherine Aird, _His Burial Too_
http://esmeraldus.blogspot.com/
Re: [OT Rant, rated R] If you find something that's perfect, buy a life-time supply [message #235270 ] Do, 09 März 2006 18:50
rja.carnegie  
Eric Jarvis wrote:
> Werehatrack rault00 [at] earthWEEDSlink.net wrote in
> <vv9v02he3mmqh29atl0lprslh71ovfi0u2 [at] 4ax.com>:
> >
> > My SO has been ranting about this sort of thing for years. Similar
> > frustrations have beset her WRT various products; she'd spend months
> > (or years, in one case) trying things to find the item that precisely
> > suited her, and when she went back to get another, it had been
> > discontinued. I've had it happen as well.
> >
>
> Mine is pens. In my early teens I wrecked the tendons in my right index
> finger so it's difficult to control a pen if it requires any pressure to
> write. However I'm fine with a good fibre tip. It's now pretty much
> impossible to get one that isn't designed primarily for children to draw
> with. Currently I not only don't have a single pen I can write legibly
> with, I have no idea how I can ever get another. All the alternatives that
> I've had foisted on me by various stationers over the past few years
> either require too much pressure to write or are just plain useless.

I found a "Flair Angular Pen" on sale cheaply (Poundland). I found it
very useful despite
http://www.usabilitymatters.org/blog/console/entry.php?id=23 3

I went back yesterday and apparently it is discontinued, at least with
them.

I think it's a gel pen. I use an odd grasp - three finger tips on the
pen barrel, thumb opposing. It's hell on the thumb, and the writing
angle is unusually acute, so some pens don't work.

I usually use the geeky Bic four colour ballpoint - imitations are junk
- and the fat barrel works well for me. And I'm stroking these letters
with a computer stylus in a padded jacket an inch wide, on the Fitaly
touchscreen keyboard program.

Have you tried fine whiteboard markers? They have a professional
appearance. Or overhead projection slide pens.

Alternatively, try trimming a fat felt-tip's nib with a tool knife, to
make a fine point. Or gently with a pencil sharpener.
Re: [OT Rant, rated R] If you find something that's perfect, buy a life-time supply [message #235278 ] Do, 09 März 2006 19:28
Suzi  
In article <i2XPf.2046$x94.1912 [at] newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Stacie Hanes house_damodred [at] yahoo.com wibbled...

[Snip]
> Drawing some wisdom from the <shudder> plushie community (research, okay?)
> think "pairs for spares."
>
> If you find the Perfect Thing, buy two if you can.

That's fine *if* you have the spare cash to do so :-/

Suzi
Re: [OT Rant, rated R] If you find something that's perfect, buy a life-time supply [message #235285 ] Do, 09 März 2006 19:36
Arthur Hagen  
Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie [at] excite.com> wrote:
>
> I found a "Flair Angular Pen" on sale cheaply (Poundland). I found it
> very useful despite
> http://www.usabilitymatters.org/blog/console/entry.php?id=23 3

A very ironic site. Their own usability is horrible, with some text being
light blue on very light blue or light grey on white. Even if your eye
sight and monitor is perfect, try printing it out on a monochrome printer...
There's also no ALT text for images, but repeated keywords (these guys
apparently want to be scored /down/ in search engines), and no less than
three of the links on the front page give you a 404 error. You have to work
hard to get a blog that inaccessible.

Regards,
--
*Art
Re: [OT Rant, rated R] If you find something that's perfect, buy a life-time supply [message #235287 ] Do, 09 März 2006 19:52
steelcat  
In article <MPG.1e7a393c7cd875689899bd [at] cenote.gkhs.net>,
Eric Jarvis <web [at] ericjarvis.co.uk> wrote:

>Werehatrack rault00 [at] earthWEEDSlink.net wrote in
><vv9v02he3mmqh29atl0lprslh71ovfi0u2 [at] 4ax.com>:
>>
>> My SO has been ranting about this sort of thing for years. Similar
>> frustrations have beset her WRT various products; she'd spend months
>> (or years, in one case) trying things to find the item that precisely
>> suited her, and when she went back to get another, it had been
>> discontinued. I've had it happen as well.
>
>Mine is pens. In my early teens I wrecked the tendons in my right index
>finger so it's difficult to control a pen if it requires any pressure to
>write. However I'm fine with a good fibre tip. It's now pretty much
>impossible to get one that isn't designed primarily for children to draw
>with.

I used to stick exclusively with fibre-tips, but as you say, they all seem
to be drawing pens now. I moved onto Papermate Gel-Writers which I'd no
sooner discovered than they were discontinued.

Now I use Uniball Eye Rollerballs, which flow very easily with no more
pressure than the weight of the pen itself and come in Medium, Fine and
Micro sizes. Every time I go into WH Smiths, I pick up a pack to build up a
stock.

Cat.
--
Jazz-Loving Soul Mate and Tolerable Frog to CCA
Two by two, hands of blue...
Re: [OT Rant, rated R] If you find something that's perfect, buya life-time supply [message #235326 ] Do, 09 März 2006 23:37
Andrew Perry  
The Stainless Steel Cat wrote:
>
> Now I use Uniball Eye Rollerballs, which flow very easily with no more
> pressure than the weight of the pen itself and come in Medium, Fine and
> Micro sizes. Every time I go into WH Smiths, I pick up a pack to build up a
> stock.

Same as I use; mostly the 0.7mm Fine and 0.5mm Micro.

Another favourite of mine is the Uniball "Signo" gelstick.
Re: [OT Rant, rated R] If you find something that's perfect, buy a life-time supply [message #235340 ] Fr, 10 März 2006 01:02
Werehatrack  
On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 13:09:15 -0000, Eric Jarvis <web [at] ericjarvis.co.uk>
wrote:

>Werehatrack rault00 [at] earthWEEDSlink.net wrote in
><vv9v02he3mmqh29atl0lprslh71ovfi0u2 [at] 4ax.com>:
>>
>> My SO has been ranting about this sort of thing for years. Similar
>> frustrations have beset her WRT various products; she'd spend months
>> (or years, in one case) trying things to find the item that precisely
>> suited her, and when she went back to get another, it had been
>> discontinued. I've had it happen as well.
>>
>
>Mine is pens. In my early teens I wrecked the tendons in my right index
>finger so it's difficult to control a pen if it requires any pressure to
>write. However I'm fine with a good fibre tip. It's now pretty much
>impossible to get one that isn't designed primarily for children to draw
>with. Currently I not only don't have a single pen I can write legibly
>with, I have no idea how I can ever get another. All the alternatives that
>I've had foisted on me by various stationers over the past few years
>either require too much pressure to write or are just plain useless.

Sharpie Extra Fine Point ought to work, widely available in North
America at least. Those are fiber-tip ith a metal casing to the point
which keeps the fibers from crushing. There's also the regular
sharpie, which has a broader point but is still tolerably useful for
writing as long as the papaer's not overly porous. None of the
fiber-tips are all that well adapted to actual *writing*, though; most
are aimed at the "scribble a few words on a sign or label" market.
How about an old-style cartridge pen? They write via ink flow rather
than pressure transmission from a rolling ball. They aren't common,
but they're still around.

I sprained my right index finger pretty badly once and had to write
for a couple of weeks by sticking the pen between the index and second
fingers and gripping it with thumb and second; it worked surprisingly
well once I got used to it, but some people can't do that at all.
--
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Re: [OT Rant, rated R] If you find something that's perfect, buy a life-time supply [message #235342 ] Fr, 10 März 2006 01:15
Werehatrack  
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 00:15:24 +1100, geminii [at] tpg.com.au wrote:

>Which makes me ask - if a cheap mass-market design goes off the market,
>what happens to the ownership of the design? Is it still trademarked or
>registered to the label forever after? Are other labels allowed to copy or
>reproduce the design eventually, and if so, when and how closely?
>
>Anyone in the textile legal biz?

For the US: Most cheap mass-market clothing is done using designs
that are impossible to protect because they contain nothing of novel
or inventive content. To be copyright-protectable as Art, a design
has to be novel enough to merit that protection, and with clothing,
changing just about anything defeats the copyright. What's more
easily protected is the smallest bit of cloth in the garment (one
hopes); the label. Trademark infringement and counterfeiting lawsuits
are as common as lawyers.

OTOH, patents on clothing features are rare but not unknown.
Essentially every principal feature of modern clothing that could be
patented (except the use of an occaional new fiber or fastener) was
devised, patented if warranted, and ran out of patent protection
looooong ago. That's why you see essentially the same features on
everything; there are just so many elements to work with, and they're
pretty much all in the public domain. *Precise* cut and assembly
might be protectable, but in practice it's futile to attempt.

The situation may vary elsewhere.
--
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Re: [OT Rant, rated R] If you find something that's perfect, buy a life-time supply [message #235343 ] Fr, 10 März 2006 01:17
rja.carnegie  
Arthur Hagen wrote:
> Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie [at] excite.com> wrote:
> >
> > I found a "Flair Angular Pen" on sale cheaply (Poundland). I found it
> > very useful despite
> > http://www.usabilitymatters.org/blog/console/entry.php?id=23 3
>
> A very ironic site. Their own usability is horrible, with some text being
> light blue on very light blue or light grey on white. Even if your eye
> sight and monitor is perfect, try printing it out on a monochrome printer...
> There's also no ALT text for images, but repeated keywords (these guys
> apparently want to be scored /down/ in search engines), and no less than
> three of the links on the front page give you a 404 error. You have to work
> hard to get a blog that inaccessible.

I left a couple of other messages... my low-powered Tablet PC was quite
unhappy when I had any of three windows on the site foregrounded. Some
time ago I adjusted Internet Explorer's colour settings and they won't
go back, so I didn't have that problem; the Opera web browser, of
course, suspends a website designer's bright ideas about colour in one
shifted keystroke.
Re: [OT Rant, rated R] If you find something that's perfect, buy a life-time supply [message #235344 ] Fr, 10 März 2006 01:17
Kar98  
Werehatrack <rault00 [at] earthWEEDSlink.net> wrote:
> How about an old-style cartridge pen? They write via ink flow rather
> than pressure transmission from a rolling ball.

They still do require a certain amount of pressure and must be held just
so to ensure a somewhat fluid writing picture rather than chicken
scritches.

There used to be a certain model of Jap-made pen...can't think of their
brand right now, but they had a ball-pen tip but an ink reservoir rather
like those found in felt-tipped pens. Sort of combining pressure-less
ink flow with the convenience of a ball-point pen. No idea what that
style is called nowadays. Rollerball pen?
Re: [OT Rant, rated R] If you find something that's perfect, buy a life-time supply [message #235357 ] Fr, 10 März 2006 02:36
graham  
Hi there,

On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 13:09:15 -0000, Eric Jarvis <web [at] ericjarvis.co.uk>
wrote:

>Mine is pens. In my early teens I wrecked the tendons in my right index
>finger so it's difficult to control a pen if it requires any pressure to write.

I did a large amount of my Polytechnic notes with a 0.25 Rotring
Mapping pen which was very nice to handle and didn't need pressure to
write with.

Cheers,
Graham.
Re: [OT Rant, rated R] If you find something that's perfect, buy a life-time supply [message #235359 ] Fr, 10 März 2006 03:21
Stacie Hanes  
Suzi wrote:
> In article <i2XPf.2046$x94.1912 [at] newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> Stacie Hanes house_damodred [at] yahoo.com wibbled...
>
> [Snip]
>> Drawing some wisdom from the <shudder> plushie community
>> (research, okay?) think "pairs for spares."
>>
>> If you find the Perfect Thing, buy two if you can.
>
> That's fine *if* you have the spare cash to do so :-/


Hence the "if you can." Sometimes, I can't.

--
Stacie, fourth swordswoman of the afpocalypse.
AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons & Bondage-happy predator
AFPMistress to peachy ashie passion & AFPDeliciousSnack to 8'FED
"If you can't be a good example, you'll just have to be a horrible
warning." Catherine Aird, _His Burial Too_
http://esmeraldus.blogspot.com/
Re: [OT Rant, rated R] If you find something that's perfect, buy a life-time supply [message #235382 ] Fr, 10 März 2006 10:54
Graycat  
On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 18:52:02 +0000,
steelcat [at] atuin.demon.co.uk (The Stainless Steel Cat) jotted
down:

>In article <MPG.1e7a393c7cd875689899bd [at] cenote.gkhs.net>,
>Eric Jarvis <web [at] ericjarvis.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Werehatrack rault00 [at] earthWEEDSlink.net wrote in
>><vv9v02he3mmqh29atl0lprslh71ovfi0u2 [at] 4ax.com>:
>>>
>>> My SO has been ranting about this sort of thing for years. Similar
>>> frustrations have beset her WRT various products; she'd spend months
>>> (or years, in one case) trying things to find the item that precisely
>>> suited her, and when she went back to get another, it had been
>>> discontinued. I've had it happen as well.
>>
>>Mine is pens. In my early teens I wrecked the tendons in my right index
>>finger so it's difficult to control a pen if it requires any pressure to
>>write. However I'm fine with a good fibre tip. It's now pretty much
>>impossible to get one that isn't designed primarily for children to draw
>>with.
>
>I used to stick exclusively with fibre-tips, but as you say, they all seem
>to be drawing pens now. I moved onto Papermate Gel-Writers which I'd no
>sooner discovered than they were discontinued.
>
>Now I use Uniball Eye Rollerballs, which flow very easily with no more
>pressure than the weight of the pen itself and come in Medium, Fine and
>Micro sizes. Every time I go into WH Smiths, I pick up a pack to build up a
>stock.

I like gel pens, they don't require much pressure and flow
quite easily.

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Re: [OT Rant, rated R] If you find something that's perfect, buy a life-time supply [message #235383 ] Fr, 10 März 2006 10:54
Geoff Field  
Werehatrack wrote:
[snip]
> The problem, of course, is that one can only devote so much cash and
> space to stockpiling, and not everything has a long shelf life.

Or "sockpiling" even ;-)

Geoff


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Re: [OT Rant, rated R] If you find something that's perfect, buy a life-time supply [message #235416 ] Fr, 10 März 2006 13:58
Eric Jarvis  
René Kar98 [at] The-Coalition.US wrote in
<rA3Qf.21441$rL5.5767 [at] newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>:
> Werehatrack <rault00 [at] earthWEEDSlink.net> wrote:
> > How about an old-style cartridge pen? They write via ink flow rather
> > than pressure transmission from a rolling ball.
>
> They still do require a certain amount of pressure and must be held just
> so to ensure a somewhat fluid writing picture rather than chicken
> scritches.
>

Yep. Unfortunately they weren't the solution.

I understand perfectly well why fibre tips have become obsolete. The main
reason I used to buy them was because some moron or other would regularly
leave the cap off or crush the tip against the paper as if it were a biro.
Unfortunatly the very requirements that I require make them unusable by
most people, at least not usable twice.

Anyway, thanks for all the suggestions throughout the subthread. That
gives me a few more things to try.

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Re: [OT Rant, rated R] If you find something that's perfect, buya life-time supply [message #235428 ] Fr, 10 März 2006 15:43
esmi  
on 09/03/2006 18:36 Arthur Hagen said the following:
> Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie [at] excite.com> wrote:

>> http://www.usabilitymatters.org/blog/console/entry.php?id=23 3

> A very ironic site. Their own usability is horrible, with some text being
> light blue on very light blue or light grey on white.

The 'blue on blue' is bad but the light grey on white isn't so much of
an isse when you bear in mind that many users benefit from a fairly low
text/background contrast. I certainly didn't find it created a
readability problem but YMMV.

> Even if your eye
> sight and monitor is perfect, try printing it out on a monochrome printer...
> There's also no ALT text for images,

There is alt text. It's just been set to "" - which is prefectly
acceptable if the image is deemed to be purely decorative.

> but repeated keywords (these guys
> apparently want to be scored /down/ in search engines), and no less than
> three of the links on the front page give you a 404 error. You have to work
> hard to get a blog that inaccessible.

Au contraire. I've seen *much* worse. :-)

esmi
Re: [OT Rant, rated R] If you find something that's perfect, buy a life-time supply [message #235438 ] Fr, 10 März 2006 16:38
news0601  
Eric Jarvis wrote:
> However I'm fine with a good fibre tip. It's now pretty much
> impossible to get one that isn't designed primarily for children to draw
> with.
>
Have you tried a Stabilo point 88?

http://www.office365.co.uk/sf/show_product.aspx?Pid=791048

Michael
Re: [OT Rant, rated R] If you find something that's perfect, buy a life-time supply [message #235439 ] Fr, 10 März 2006 16:43
Kar98  
Michael J. Schülke <news0601 [at] mjschuelke.de> wrote:
> Have you tried a Stabilo point 88?
> http://www.office365.co.uk/sf/show_product.aspx?Pid=791048

Too slow to write with.

Those would be ideal:
http://www.office365.co.uk/Writing-Supplies/53576X-Pilot-G2E X-Gel.htm

And sure enough..."discontinued".
Bugger.
Re: [OT Rant, rated R] If you find something that's perfect, buy a life-time supply [message #235453 ] Fr, 10 März 2006 18:12
news0601  
Ren=E9 wrote:=20
> Michael J. Sch=FClke <news0601 [at] mjschuelke.de> wrote:
> > Have you tried a Stabilo point 88?
>=20
> Too slow to write with.

Not for me -- and I'm not a slow writer, usually.

Michael =20
Re: [OT Rant, rated R] If you find something that's perfect, buy a life-time supply [message #235951 ] So, 12 März 2006 12:50
Julia Jones  
In article <MPG.1e7a393c7cd875689899bd [at] cenote.gkhs.net>, Eric Jarvis
<web [at] ericjarvis.co.uk> writes
>
>Mine is pens. In my early teens I wrecked the tendons in my right index
>finger so it's difficult to control a pen if it requires any pressure to
>write. However I'm fine with a good fibre tip. It's now pretty much
>impossible to get one that isn't designed primarily for children to draw
>with. Currently I not only don't have a single pen I can write legibly
>with, I have no idea how I can ever get another. All the alternatives that
>I've had foisted on me by various stationers over the past few years
>either require too much pressure to write or are just plain useless.
>
Try a Pental R50, if you haven't already, and can find one. I don't know
what they're like for extended bouts of writing, because I used them as
a proof-reading pen, but they were pretty easy on my RSI. They are still
available in black, or at least they were in January, because I went
looking for a red one and could find only black ones. Rollerball, but
feels like a fibre tip in use.
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Re: [OT Rant, rated R] If you find something that's perfect, buy a life-time supply [message #237277 ] Mi, 15 März 2006 01:46
Thomas Zahr  
posted:

....

> The real selling point was the Forever packs - for an
> annual fee, a customised package of clothing would be
> shipped to you every N months. And unless you changed your
> preferences, it would always be *exactly* the same items,
> in the same colours, same materials, same sizes, style,
> stitching, same everything. Guaranteed.
>

At the same price?

....

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Re: [OT Rant, rated R] If you find something that's perfect, buy a life-time supply [message #237280 ] Mi, 15 März 2006 01:50
Thomas Zahr  
Eric Jarvis posted:

.... pens

> All the alternatives that I've had foisted on me by various
> stationers over the past few years either require too much
> pressure to write or are just plain useless.

Would a very soft lead pencil serve?

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Re: [OT Rant, rated R] If you find something that's perfect, buy a life-time supply [message #237302 ] Mi, 15 März 2006 07:04
geminii  
On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 01:46:50 +0100, Thomas Zahr
<ThomasZahr0601 [at] geekmail.de> wrote:

> posted:
>
>...
>
>> The real selling point was the Forever packs - for an
>> annual fee, a customised package of clothing would be
>> shipped to you every N months. And unless you changed your
>> preferences, it would always be *exactly* the same items,
>> in the same colours, same materials, same sizes, style,
>> stitching, same everything. Guaranteed.
>>
>
>At the same price?

It would probably depend on how hard it was to get the materials and put
together, how many other people were also ordering the same item, and
whether it was an item which had been ordered (and therefore the paperwork
already done) previously. It would probably start off expensive-ish, but
well within reason for people too busy to go clothes-shopping all the
time. The next couple would probably be cheaper. After that, it would be a
matter of raw material prices and shipping.

So - probably not as cheap as the originals (at least at first), but then
again, the service wouldn't be aimed at duplicating things you could buy
elsewhere, and there would be the nostalgia, convenience and
personalisation factors.

If a certain design proved popular, it might be able to drop in price to
general-consumer levels, but it wouldn't be competing against mass-market
mall clothing.


-SteveD
Re: [OT Rant, rated R] If you find something that's perfect, buy a life-time supply [message #237618 ] Do, 16 März 2006 22:26
Thomas Zahr  
posted:

> On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 01:46:50 +0100, Thomas Zahr
> <ThomasZahr0601 [at] geekmail.de> wrote:
>
>> posted:
>>
>> ...
>>
>>> The real selling point was the Forever packs - for an
>>> annual fee, a customised package of clothing would be
>>> shipped to you every N months. And unless you changed
>>> your preferences, it would always be *exactly* the same
>>> items, in the same colours, same materials, same sizes,
>>> style, stitching, same everything. Guaranteed.
>>>
>>
>> At the same price?
>
> It would probably depend on how hard it was to get the
> materials and put together, how many other people were also
> ordering the same item, and whether it was an item which
> had been ordered (and therefore the paperwork already done)
> previously. It would probably start off expensive-ish, but
> well within reason for people too busy to go
> clothes-shopping all the time. The next couple would
> probably be cheaper. After that, it would be a matter of
> raw material prices and shipping.

I'd suggest that with textiles the main issue, maybe the only
issue, would be the availability of the relevant cloth
quality and design. This can be severly limited at the lower
end of price, since these materials are often produced for
one season only.

Even with less seasonal (I mean this in the fashion sense,
not the meterological sense) materials, underwear for
example, materials vary over time, and the cost will rise
expontentially as demand drops.

So I expect you're going to find that it would not really be
well within reason, and it would not get cheaper over time.

....

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